Posts tagged abortion
Posts tagged abortion
I thought this was a pro-choice banner for a sec.
Like.. Yeah, no you’re right! Adults do have more cells! YAY FOR RECOGNIZING SCIENCE.
And yeah, adults used to be fetuses too, so they appreciate how much hard work it is to make a fetus that is not you become an infant (and then an adult), and as such would not expect other people to be forced to do such a life-changing thing against their will.
(Link to an article entitled: An ‘Ethicist’ Argues for “After-Birth” Abortions)
Whether you are pro-choice or pro-life, I think you should ask yourself a simple question. Who decides if you get to live?
By what criteria does someone get to decide that can live and when is someone legally and ethically allowed to take your life? Is there a time when all of a sudden it becomes acceptable to decide for someone, whether they can live or not?
What does it say about our society, that we have distanced ourselves so far from valuing life, that we can so callously end it just as it is beginning?
In this article, the author makes a great point. If you think it’s okay to abort the baby inside the mother’s womb because it’s “not a person,” why change your mind when the baby is outside her body?
I thought the “after-birth” abortion explosion was over months ago.
There is no such thing; You can’t terminate a pregnancy if the pregnancy was already ended via a birth. What you’re describing infanticide, which is illegal and awful and I won’t say much more on that because it is not comparable to abortion. The fact that some people can’t tell the difference between killing an infant and killing an embryo really worries me.
“Who decides if you get to live?”
Generally speaking, I do. I not only was given rights at my birth, but am not using anyone else’s body for all of the body processes keeping said life going, so nobody else has a say in the matter but me.
“we have distanced ourselves so far from valuing life, that we can so callously end it just as it is beginning?”
I’m pro-choice because I value life.
I think raising a child is a very arduous task that not everyone can do. Only people who are really dedicated to having children should have children, for the sake of the child’s life. Our newest generation deserve to have a good childhood and to be raised by able, loving parents that can rear them and teach them what life is like. You shouldn’t ever be forced into being a parent, and a child shouldn’t be used as a form of punishment against an adult. I value life, and I think every born child should have a good one.
Also, humans are not the only things that are alive. Eggs and sperm were alive before conception, etc etc etc.
If you think it’s okay to abort the baby inside the mother’s womb because it’s “not a person,” why change your mind when the baby is outside her body?
Because 9 months gestation is long enough to make a fetus developmentally sound enough for it’s own body to sustain it after birth? Because anyone going through the entire pregnancy most likely wanted to have a child? Because once it’s born it gets it’s own personal rights? Because once it’s born it is no longer living inside someone else’s body? There are lots of answers to that question.
Whether you think an embryo is a person or not is irrelevant to me; if something is using your body without your consent, you are allowed to make it stop if you want to. Or in the case of an embryo, you can continue to let it do so until it is strong enough to be born and no longer use your body. Whichever you want; you can choose what to do with an unwanted embryo inside you.
“In the fight against bodily autonomy we fight against the idea that it’s okay to view women as nothing more than walk incubators.”
I don’t think you’ll meet anyone who sees women as nothing more than incubators.
Oh you can see them. What you don’t see is them admitting or acknowledging it.
What I see is you saying that by asking women to take responsibility for their actions and choices, we are turning them into objects. Which is simply not true.
If I make a mess on the floor and my mom tells me to sweep it up, I don’t say to her, “YOU SEE ME AS NOTHING MORE THAN A BROOM!!!!”, because it is a reasonable request. I made a mess, and it’s my job to take care of the consequences.
I’m a woman, and most pro-life blogs I follow on Tumblr are run by women. I can guarantee that we don’t see ourselves as incubators. We have higher standards than pro-aborts and we don’t reduce ourselves down to sex objects by treating our fertility as a disease. So in reality, if anyone sees women as objects, it’s you.
“I made a mess, and it’s my job to take care of the consequences.”
Wait, you think pregnancy/unwanted embryos can be comparable to a mess? Doesn’t that, like, go against everything you say about fetuses ever?
when I read this, it made me think of the millions of babies, much like the Newtown shootings, that had their lives taken away. It’s not any different with abortion. I wish people would understand that.
Nope nope nope nope nope.
You’re saying to those grieving families that lost loved ones during the shooting that something that cannot feel pain or emotion (an embryo) is exactly the same as their children and friends who died in agony and fear during the shooting. And that is not okay.
If you are pro-life, use other reasons.
I would like to respectfully disagree. I’ve attached an article below that speaks to my opinions on the topic more. However, I do not believe that anyone should undermine the Connecticut tragedy because abortion ends so many more lives daily. Both are true evils.
“If we don’t point out the damnable hypocrisy of moral relativism right now, when the nation is searching its soul, the opportunity for meaningful action is lost.” —Mike Spielman, Abort 73
No. I disagree, and not respectfully, though I’ll try to be respectful.
An aborted embryo never felt the terror and pain the shooting victims did. To compare the two is dismissing those fears and horrible, painful deaths. If you say you can compare the two things, you’re trying to ignore the pain, mystery, and emotional aftermath those kids and their families felt and feel; you cannot make this comparison without dismissing the pain and terror the victims felt, even if you don’t mean to do so. That is exactly what you’re saying by comparing these things.
You’re saying to those grieving families that something that cannot feel pain or emotion, is exactly the same as their children and friends who died in agony and fear during the shooting. And that is not okay.
Abortion is the only thing that is comparable to abortion. Keep it that way.
I don’t know what this is from, but I can assume it’s from an interview of some kind. Kind of hard to say out of context, but oh well.
Having a study’s findings critically reviewed, questioned, and re-verified is part of the scientific process. If it’s valid information why is questioning the data a problem? If it’s legit, it will stand strong after being repeated and confirmed. If it’s being rejected, there’s probably a reason.
The thing about science: it doesn’t stick to dogmas. Most scientists want to know about their world, so if they find new data they alter their beliefs (if you can call it that) to fit it in. If something is being rejected repeatedly by the major authorities in those departments, it’s probably because the study was inconclusive or, dare I say it, false.
“…Also I’m glad other people see the stupidity in anti-choicers crying over the unborn - who, in a proper procedure, would never have time to experience anything resembling suffering, fear or confusion - while feeling no concern whatsoever for animals. A chicken that JUST HATCHED experiences more than any fetus every aborted in the history of Earth. Of course, these are the same people who defend war and guns and all manner of bigotry anyway.”
I’m all about being as vegan as you can, but when someone says that they’re 100% animal death/cruelty free… well, at that point it becomes an argument about the language they’re using, but I really feel that they’re REALLY generalizing.
I love bugs. When I was first going vegan, I still ate bug products because I felt they were different from their mammalian, avian, and fishy production animal counter parts. But now I can’t bring myself to do it- I love bugs too much. Whenever I find an ant or a box elder bug in my apartment, I always bring ‘em outside muttering “this guy has just as much of a right to continue living as I do...”
I don’t expect other vegans to uphold this ideal, but if you’re gunna talk about animal rights, well there you go.
Also, am I the only one bothered by people using the word “murder” when talking about killing animals? I feel like that’s, you know, a human word for unjustified killing. I don’t feel like that word can be applied to animals or unborn. Just sayin.
Oh shut up, you guys were probably eating a fucking burger as you posted this.
I actually did eat a burger today.
Sorry, I guess I forgot to put cows above humans in matter of importance today.
I agree that humans are more important than cows, but if you’re going to say “life” with no farther description, do not be surprised when arguments like this come up. Life isn’t exclusive to humans, and the specifics of “human life” was not mentioned.
Humanity wasn’t specified by the OP, so I don’t see the issue here; animals have life too. Funny how forgetting a word yields a completely different argument.
I’m trying not to be that person who’s argument is solely about language, but sometimes you just gotta.
I wouldn’t necessarily say conservatives (read: all conservatives) since not all conservatives share the same values, but yeah.